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  HA! Take that Watchtower! One less Borg for you!!!!!

  by Gojira_101 in

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  last week a friend of mine contacted me out of the blue asking if we could have lunch together.

  my friend has been studing with the jw's on and off for about 11-12 years i think.

  she has told me everytime i see her that she can't wait for jehovah to end this evil world...she can't wait for the new system...the end is so close....etc.. i sent her a message back telling her that i left the jw's and asked her if she had heard that.

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  Newly Enlightened

  More info... Scan from the Greek Diaglott Published by the WTBT$ 1942 edition

  
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  HA! Take that Watchtower! One less Borg for you!!!!!

  by Gojira_101 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  last week a friend of mine contacted me out of the blue asking if we could have lunch together.

  my friend has been studing with the jw's on and off for about 11-12 years i think.

  she has told me everytime i see her that she can't wait for jehovah to end this evil world...she can't wait for the new system...the end is so close....etc.. i sent her a message back telling her that i left the jw's and asked her if she had heard that.

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  Newly Enlightened

  The name 'Jehovah': http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/is-gods-name-yahweh-or-jehovah

  Strong's Concordance [Dictionary/Lexicon section] Item # 1942: http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/hebrew/kjv/hovah.html

  The KJV Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon

  Strong's Number: 01943 Original Word Word Origin hwh another form for (01942) Transliterated Word TDNT Entry Hovah TWOT - 483c Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech ho-vaw' Noun Feminine Definition ruin, disaster

  WT 1980 2/1 pg 11-13:

  The

  THAT the divine name was used in early history is beyond question. But what about later times? Why have certain Bible translations omitted the name? And what is its meaning and significance to us?

  THE

  NAME“JEHOVAH”BECOMESWIDELY

  KNOWN

  Interestingly, Raymundus Martini, a Spanish monk of the Dominican order, first rendered the divine name as “Jehova.” This form appeared in his book PugeoFidei, published in 1270 C.E.—over 700 years ago.

  In time, as reform movements developed both inside and outside the Catholic Church, the Bible was made available to the people in general, and the name “Jehovah” became more widely known. In 1611 C.E. the King James or Authorized Version of the Bible was published. It uses the name Jehovah four times. (Ex. 6:3; Ps. 83:18; Isa. 12:2; 26:4) Since then, the Bible has been translated many, many times. Some translations follow the example of the AuthorizedVersion and include the divine name only a few times.

  In this category is AnAmericanTranslation (by Smith and Goodspeed) with a slight variation of using “Yahweh” instead of “Jehovah.” Yet, one may ask: “Why have the translators done this? If using ‘Jehovah’ or ‘Yahweh’ is wrong, why put it in at all? If right, why not be consistent and use it every time it appears in the Bible text?”

  Against the preceding historical and factual background, let us now examine what the translators say in answer.

  THE

  TRANSLATORS’

  ANSWER

  Says the Preface of AnAmericanTranslation: “In this translation we have followed the orthodox Jewish tradition and substituted ‘the Lord’ for the name ‘Yahweh.’ ” But by following “the orthodox Jewish tradition,” did the translators realize how harmful it can be to ignore God’s clear determination that his ‘name be declared in all the earth’? Moreover, Jesus condemned man-made tradition that would invalidate God’s word.—Ex. 9:16; Mark 7:5-9.

  The Preface of the RevisedStandardVersion states: “The present revision returns to the procedure of the King James Version, which follows . . . the long established practice in the reading of the Hebrew scriptures in the synagogue.... For two reasons the Committee has returned to the more familiar usage of the King James Version: (1) The word ‘Jehovah’ does not accurately represent any form of the Name ever used in Hebrew; and (2) the use of any proper name for the one and only God, as though there were other gods from whom he had to be distinguished, wasdiscontinuedinJudaismbeforetheChristianera and is entirely inappropriate for the universal faith of the Christian Church.” (Italics ours.)

  The translators made a great mistake in following the example of the KingJamesVersion and Jewish tradition. Did they really think it was God’s will that his name should be kept in the background? Is the divine name something to be ashamed of so that it should be left out of the Bible?

  RELIGIOUS

  PREJUDICE?

  An interesting fact is that the AmericanStandardVersion, published in 1901, uses Jehovah’s name right through the Hebrew Scriptures. In contrast, the RevisedStandardVersion, published in 1952, makes only a very brief reference to the Tetragrammaton in a footnote (at Exodus 3:15). During that period, Jehovah’s Witnesses were proclaiming God’s name world wide. Could it be that the omission of the divine name in certain translations was caused by prejudice against their witnessing activity?

  That this could be so in some cases is indicated by the following statement appearing in the KatholischeBildepost (a Catholic magazine of Germany): “The name of God, however, which they [Jehovah’s Witnesses] have changed to ‘Jehovah’ is simply an invention of the sect.” (August 24, 1969) This statement smacks of religious prejudice. It also reveals poor research since, as already mentioned, the first writer to use the term “Jehova” was a Catholic monk—obviously not one of Jehovah’s Witnesses!

  DOUBLE

  STANDARD

  “The word ‘Jehovah’ does not accurately represent any form of the Name ever used in Hebrew,” says the Preface of the RevisedStandardVersion. But what word does “accurately represent” the divine name in Hebrew? Some prefer “Yahweh,” others “Yehwah,” others “Jave,” and so on. The problem is that when writing ancient Hebrew only consonants were used, and even experts admit that it is a matter of conjecture as to which vowels made up the complete divine name.

  One could also ask those objecting to the form “Jehovah” why they do not object to other names such as “Jesus” or “Peter.” Why do these critics not insist on using the original Greek forms of those names (Iesoús and Petros)? Are these individuals not guilty of applying a double standard in rejecting “Jehovah”?

  OTHER

  TRANSLATIONS

  Many translations, of course, do use “Jehovah” or “Yahweh” or some other representation of the Tetragrammaton. Moreover, there are about 40 vernacular translations of the Christian Greek Scriptures (“New Testament”) that use a vernacular form of the Tetragrammaton such as Iehova (Hawaiian) and Uyehova (Zulu).

  The

  BibleinLivingEnglish (by Steven T. Byington) also uses “Jehovah” right through the Hebrew text. In his Preface, Byington says concerning “Jehovah”: “The spelling and the pronunciation are not highly important. What is highly important is to keep it clear that this is a personal name.” Yes, the name of the most exalted Person in the universe is unique, exclusive, incomparable, sublime.

  WHAT

  DOESTHISUNIQUENAME

  MEAN?

  To answer this, a historical flashback is appropriate. When he was commissioned by the Most High to lead the Israelites out of Egypt, “Moses said to the true God: ‘Suppose I am now come to the sons of Israel and I do say to them, “The God of your forefathers has sent me to you,” and they do say to me, “What is his name?” What shall I say to them?’ At this God said to Moses: “I SHALL PROVE TO BE WHAT I SHALL PROVE TO BE.’ And he added: ‘This is what you are to say to the sons of Israel, “I SHALL PROVE TO BE has sent me to you.”’” (Ex. 3:13, 14) This means Jehovah would carry his own grand purpose to completion in vindication of his name and sovereignty, and this helps us to understand the memorial name “Jehovah,” given in verse 15. According to the Hebrew root of the name, it appears to mean “He Causes To Become” (or, “Prove To Be”) with respect to himself. Thus God’s name has real significance to thoughtful persons. That name reveals him as being One who unfailingly fulfills what he promises and is perfectly in control of whatever situation may arise.

  What a deep, sacred meaning the divine name has! It is the name par excellence of the universe, a glorious name. The term “Lord” is pale and inexplicit in comparison. Jesus loved and respected his Father’s name and once said to him: “Father, glorify your name.” The account continues: “Therefore a voice came out of heaven: ‘I both glorified it and will glorify it again.’”—John 12:28.

  If Jesus had been a Bible translator today, would he have omitted his Father’s name from new translations? Hardly! Without a doubt, Jesus, of all persons, had the right attitude toward Almighty God and His name. So what should be our attitude toward God and his name?
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  HA! Take that Watchtower! One less Borg for you!!!!!

  by Gojira_101 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  last week a friend of mine contacted me out of the blue asking if we could have lunch together.

  my friend has been studing with the jw's on and off for about 11-12 years i think.

  she has told me everytime i see her that she can't wait for jehovah to end this evil world...she can't wait for the new system...the end is so close....etc.. i sent her a message back telling her that i left the jw's and asked her if she had heard that.

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  Newly Enlightened

  Proud of you Sweetie. Keep up the good work!
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  WT SHUNNING POLICY: What has it done, or could it do to you?

  by flipper in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi y'all, this is mrs. flipper.

  please share your experiences with this, or possible consequences of being outed.. this recent controversy and resulting arguments all stem from people being outed - possibly losing friends and family because most jw's will blindly follow the watchtower's rules to shun them.. among people i know and experiences read here, the grief and loss caused by this is terrible, and maybe now is a good time to put up some experiences here, and put the focus on the worst villians of all - wt policymakers..

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  Newly Enlightened

  Just because we've made a few comments and showed family members right from the WT literature they feel that we've developed an independent 'spirit' and no longer wish to be JW's and are shunning us. My Mom has not called me in 6 months and when I tried e-mailing her, my sister answered me and said not to contact them ever again.

  So I agree, it's WT stupid policy and when you see the 1947 Awake 1/8 pg 27 It makes it look even more ridiculous.
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  What is your experience when you stop turning in time?

  by gingerbread in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  for the past year or so, i've been turning in just one or two hours of service time.

  it has been mentioned to me from an elder "friend" that i'm never seen at any meetings for field service.

  i get his implication.

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  Newly Enlightened

  ADCMS is correct. In our case, the elder did call the next 2 months and I finally told him, why should I go out in service and count time when you can't even get me my magazines to place. That shut him up, but then nothing ever since. I even e-mailed his wife [our cousin] and she can't even answer my emails now.
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  Saw this and had to share

  by ItsMyLife in

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  i intend no offence to those who have a firm belief in god.

  i myself am currently on the fence.. http://i.imgur.com/9gajkpy.jpg.

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  Newly Enlightened

  I know it's difficult to see all these atrocities going on.
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  I just feel alone

  by joe134cd in

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  i just feel isolated and tired of the situation i am in.

  no witness visits, and this just makes me even more spiritually lethargic..

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  Hey Joe, You're not alone, we're here for you.

  JW's only have conditional love. They will only associate with you if you are in the same box they are in. Itsy bitsy is right. Archeology & history is a great place to start.
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  Snippet from Instructions for Credit Card Donations at Circuit Events

  by Splash in

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  thought this was a clever little ruse.. it's on page 11 of the instructions booklet.. .

  the refund function is used to reverse a credit card transaction after it has been settled.. the refund function has been disabled.

  any donor whose debit or credit transaction.

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  Newly Enlightened

  WOW! And I'm sure it will take them at least 6 months to get it refunded
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  Are we all missing the true 'MARK' of the Wild Beast?

  by Newly Enlightened in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  disclaimer: hubby & i have been watching a 5 dvd documentary on the 'secret's of the founding father's' we're not sure if we believe everything they talk about but here is some interesting things to think about..... revelation mentions that the 'mark' would either be on the forehead, [for everyone to see] or, on the right hand [if you make a fist, it is hidden] rev also says that no one can buy or sell without this mark.

  the wtbt$ isn't too clear on what they believe that mark is, so.... what is one thing that we cannot buy or sell without?.

  money!.

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  gnat: DID you even read your article posted above THOROUGHLY???? Here's a quote from it:

  "" In a paper last year, two economists estimated that 18 percent to 19 percent of income nationwide is not reported to the Internal Revenue Service. "The estimated $2 trillion of unreported income gives rise to and annual tax gap of $450 billion to $500 billion," wrote Richard Cebula, a professor of finance at Jacksonville University in Florida, and Edgar Feige, a professor of economics at the University of Wisconsin at Madison.

  The underground economy runs on cash , which can't be traced....."

  Anyone professing to be a Christian, would remember Jesus words, "Pay Caesar's things to Caesar..." It's very clear in this underground economy, Caesar is not getting paid his due tax, which puts the 'professed' Christian at odds against Christ and open for the government to come in and fine you for back taxes.

  And I don't know how things work in Canada, but here in the U.S if you don't pay your property taxes, with CASH, the government TAKES your property and sells it for the back taxes due. When we sell items on Ebay, if we do not pay our sales tax to our state government then they take away our business license and fine us.

  So truly, we are not free to use the barter system freely like you think we are. Most of that Bartering system is the Black Market as *Lost* so plainly explained it.

  IT IS ILLEGAL!!!!
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  Are we all missing the true 'MARK' of the Wild Beast?

  by Newly Enlightened in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  disclaimer: hubby & i have been watching a 5 dvd documentary on the 'secret's of the founding father's' we're not sure if we believe everything they talk about but here is some interesting things to think about..... revelation mentions that the 'mark' would either be on the forehead, [for everyone to see] or, on the right hand [if you make a fist, it is hidden] rev also says that no one can buy or sell without this mark.

  the wtbt$ isn't too clear on what they believe that mark is, so.... what is one thing that we cannot buy or sell without?.

  money!.

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  Newly Enlightened

  Here in the U.S Santeria is getting more well known: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santeria

  But like you said VooDoo is real big down in New Orleans.